Monday, August 13, 2012
Always The Bridesmaid - He Said - She Said.
One night I dreamed that I was the Matron of Honor for a friend of mine. I remember thinking it was kinda odd that I was chosen as the "First" girl since I am technically only a friend of a friend. So I wondered why our mutual friend, the best friend wasn't even in the wedding party.
I was standing up looking over the crowd for our mutual friend during the wedding, in my dream it was in the church where my niece had gotten married when I was her Matron of Honor.
It was odd enough, but even a bit more so since Jim, my friend of a friend is a guy. And he's gay.
That's always the misconception people have about Conservatives, especially Christian Conservatives.
They assume we hate gay people. I don't hate anyone. Well, Wasserman-Schultz might come close, but that's a story for another day (or not).
Anyway, after my dream, I wrote on Jim's facebook page about my dream. He found it quite amusing as did I.
Kevin worked with me for a couple years. He was a great guy, always chasing the hot chicks that were WAY out of his league. He even once asked our boss out after we quit working together. She declined.
Out of earshot Jim would INSIST Kevin was gay. He always said he had his "gaydar" out and that Kevin was gay and just wouldn't admit it. It had a bit of a ring to truth to it, though.
And, of course a couple years ago, Kevin decided he WAS gay and did come out of the closet. Jim just shook his head. Jim has been with his "husband" for years. I'm pretty sure they have never gotten legally married, but he's worn a wedding band ever since I've known him.
Both Jim and Kevin are conservative. Interesting, no?
Because Jim and Kevin are friends of mine on Facebook, I would not comment there of my opinion on the whole Chick-Fil-A fiasco. I respect both of them and did not want to have them think I was judging them. I found it interesting that neither of them or my other gay friends posted anything either. Nothing for, nothing against.
Here's what I do know.
Suppose Jim's partner's family did not approve of the relationship (hypothetical). And suppose after living together for years that Jim's partner was deathly sick. And suppose the family wouldn't allow Jim into see his partner on his death bed, or be allowed to go to his funeral.
That's just wrong, I don't care what you believe.
But.
While I believe Jim should be afforded every single right that a married man should have, I have an issue with those rights being called "marriage". My faith justs prevents that. I just can't go that far.
But I don't believe that being gay is any "worse sin" that any other. And so I will not judge Jim or Kevin or anyone else. I honestly believe they are born that way. (Please no one start with the Lady Gag Gag line.)
I don't think God is going to toss Jim and his partner into the flames of hell unless they could be prayed back into straighthood. A sin is a sin and thankfully Someone gave His life so that none of us would burn. The truth is we should all burn, right?
For Jim's sake I do wish there was a Civil Union where he and his husband could be afforded the same rights as me and my husband, but currently our state would not recognize that union. Thankfully he is not in that situation where his partner's family would ever deny him his decent human right to be with the person he has loved all these years.
So, I saw no point in broadcasting my fervent belief that Mr. Cathy has every right in the world to believe and SAY that he believes in the Biblical tradition of marriage. I didn't see my gay friends screaming about how Cathy is evil and shouldn't be allowed his freedom of speech or religion. They don't push their "agenda". They don't even seem to have an agenda.
They love who they love. And who they love does not affect my life one little bit. It's only when someone, anyone starts claiming that by expressing their belief they should be tarred and feathered and put out of business that it begins to affect my life. I chose to remain silent on the subject for the sake of my friends. They apparently decided to do the same. Or more likely they also believe in freedom of speech and religion even when it disagrees with what they believe and live. As much as I despise Westboro satanists, they have a right to their hateful speech. I have no doubt they will burn in hell while my gay friends and family will not.
Tolerance my friends goes both directions.
Now let's see what He Said.
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13 comments:
looks almost like we collaborated. Good post!
Funny how that happens.
My brother is gay and he has some of the best friends who have been together for years, yet they can't help each other out when sick (insurance wise). Yet they are more solid that many of my married friends. But we have Christians that had rather see them dead.
Having a couple of gay friends whose company I enjoy, and a gay step-brother who will not talk to me because I'm a "hater", and being a conservative Christian, I will say:
Being gay will not send you to hell.
Not accepting Christ and His authority over your life will.
That goes for my straight friends as well.
Meanwhile, I generally wish all on earth a comfortable life, except for maybe Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
Coofeepot: I've never met a Christian who meets the stereotype of being a "hater" of gays, who would rather see them dead. I have seen them as characters in the movies and on TV.
Coffey/Ed: It sickens me that Westboro ends up getting so much airtime when they are actually only about a dozen fanatics that are pure evil. An atheist friend of mine wants to believe they represnt half of the Christians, of course he has never met a Christian who carried on that way.
I once asked him to, for the sake of discussion imagine there really is a God and a Satan. Then I asked him this, "If you were Satan, what would be the best method to turn people who have doubts away from Christianity?" He agreed it would be to have evil people pretend to be Christians that blast horrible messages.
Cathy said EXACTLY what you said in your post -- marriage is between a man and a woman.
Its much ado about nothing.
I never met any Christians who wanted gays dead. That's about as lame as saying people who don't agree with you are hateful.
A most interesting post, Rita. Refreshing to read something besides the usual tired old exchange of intolerant and condemnatory clichés from both sides of this issue.
Reality, however, is never what people say or what they call themselves. Reality is what they do in the way they relate to others, and perform their duties.
In Reality there are many who call themselves christians who are truly horrible people. The reverse is true also.
I knew a gay Jewish atheist once, who was truly a great human being.
I said to him once, "You know, you may think of yourself as first and foremost a Jew and an atheist, but in actual fact, you are one of the most genuinely Christian people I've ever known. You practice what we preach."
We laughed about it, but he knew I was serious, and didn't want to argue with me knowing it would have been pointless.
I consider myself a Christian, but I've always preferred to deal with Reality and tend to look at 'dogma' with a weather eye.
To live fulfilling life, we can't live by just by formulas and rituals.
Nice blog! I'll come back soon.
~ FreeThinke
http://freethinkesblog.blogspot.com/?zx=da63e836789862c5
Thx FT. I normally try to avoid getting into debatable issues. I get my political fix at Z's and others. This election season might be tough for me to keep very silent here though.
You're right in saying it's how we act, not what we say that counts.
Thanks for dropping by.
Joe: That's what is so amazing. Mr.Cathy stands by his beliefs. There was nothing about him discriminating against gays.
And the irony of people screaming about his "hate speech" while ignoring Islam's calling for gays to be murdered is unbelievable. The hypocrisy is palpable.
I've never known a Christian would wish gays dead, that's for sure. NEVER.
I also know that lawyers can give gay couples the rights of married couples and it doesn't take much in most states. Insurance, hospital visitation; I'm told by gay friends that that can be worked out.
I hope you're right about God. Scripture's pretty clear about that, but Scripture's pretty darned clear on lying, gossiping and even over eating ...so I suppose I'm in eternal trouble, too :-)
This subject is a toughie for me...
the act itself doesn't seem natural at all to me...but that's just me, I guess.
And I'd NEVER EVER wish a gay trouble, let alone DEATH!
It is all about Social Security and getting covered on a "spouses" work-provided insurance.
Couples who shack up face the same problems, but we are not labeled as haters when we do not give them special benefits.
There is a segment of the activist gay community that demands acceptance from the genpop for the gay lifestyle (I know that is not the right word, but the proper phrase does not come to mind).
BTW, I have no issue with gay marriage.
I chose this topic for our "He Said She said" because I thought it would be interesting to see if we could get a good debate going without all the hate rhetoric. With the Chick-fil-A hubbub it seemed like a good time to do it.
There are hate filled people out there and those people should not be lumped in with honest people who have differing opinions.
That was the main point I was trying to make in my post and Rita said the same thing in her post.
When radical people lack supporting information, that's usually when the "hate" card is played.
That accusation is almost childlike playground tactics. If the stakes weren't so high that is what I would call it.
If I get to chose our next "He Said, She Said" I will chose something a little more milktoasty.
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